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newbie question--workshop size? John Doe 09-14-2006
Posted by Andrew Mawson on September 15, 2006, 11:21 am
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> On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:46:45 +0100, "Andrew Mawson"
>
> >
>
> >
> >Obviously the only people who can give a definitive answer are your
> >local planners, but if it is less than 50% of the garden area,
less
> >than 3m tall if flat roof and 4m if pitched roof, and is more than
(I
> >think) 5 metres from the house and no closer than 20m from any
> >highway, and if within a metre of a boundry is constructed mainly
of
> >non-inflamable materials then planning permission isn't needed
unless
> >you are in a conservation area, an area of outstanding natural
beauty,
> >or within the green belt.
> >
> >AWEM
> >
>
> Andrew you forgot one.... within the curtilege of a Listed Building
> <g>
>
> Cheers
> Tim
>
> Dutton Dry-Dock
> Traditional & Modern canal craft repairs
> Vintage diesel engine service

Sore point Tim as that's the one that has ruled out many potential
houses for us after our move fell through ! Anything not built by
Wimpy round here is Grade 11 it seems !!!

AWEM



Posted by Mike H on September 15, 2006, 6:34 am
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>so i would like to have a lathe and a milling machine, what sort of size
>would i be able to get in a shop of this size?
A couple of points...

1) The floor as provided for a typical garden shed is unlikely to have
sufficient rigidity to take machine tools without rocking. My preferred
option would be concrete laid on a damp proof membrane and (Jabfloor?)
polystyrene slabs.

2) Assume that condensation due to fluctuations in weather (humidity and
temperature) may be a problem and plan to either heat, insulate or both.

We are in the process fitting out a 14' x 8' garden "studio" for SWMBO.
After a couple of enquiries we found local supplier who was happy to
provide a bespoke job (double glazed and with additional materials to
insulate and line the roof and walls).
--
Mike Hopkins
CSME <http://www.cheltsme.org.uk>
5" gauge (2 1/2" scale) Alice class Hunslet

Posted by John Doe on September 15, 2006, 7:56 am
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> A couple of points...
>
> 1) The floor as provided for a typical garden shed is unlikely to have
> sufficient rigidity to take machine tools without rocking. My preferred
> option would be concrete laid on a damp proof membrane and (Jabfloor?)
> polystyrene slabs.
>
> 2) Assume that condensation due to fluctuations in weather (humidity and
> temperature) may be a problem and plan to either heat, insulate or both.

i was planning on laying a concrete floor and making the walls out of
plywood or something similar with sheets of polystyrene for insulation.

i'm unsure of what to use on the inside of the polystyrene (if that's
practical anyway)?, or if i should leave that as the internal facing.

james



Posted by Mike H on September 15, 2006, 12:19 pm
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>i'm unsure of what to use on the inside of the polystyrene (if that's
>practical anyway)?, or if i should leave that as the internal facing.
We specified a vapour barrier to go between the outer cladding and the
structural members. The supplier also provided a more than adequate
quantity of match-boarding for inner lining. With a cheap "chop-saw"
from B&Q and an electric nail gun the match-boarding went into place
surprisingly quickly and easily. However the supplied glass fibre (roof
insulation) mat was such a pain to put into a vertical wall cavity that
we gave up, sold it and bought 50mm polystyrene (Jabfloor) from the
local builders' merchant.

--
Mike Hopkins
CSME <http://www.cheltsme.org.uk>
5" gauge (2 1/2" scale) Alice class Hunslet

Posted by David Littlewood on September 15, 2006, 12:28 pm
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>hi all,
>
>i have a garden shed that is 7'x5' and i would like to get rid of this and
>build a workshop slightly larger, i reckon my wife would let me get away
>with 10'x8'.
>
>question is?, do i need planning permission for what is basically a big
>shed, and what sort of equipment will i be able to fit in something of this
>size?
>
>i've never done any sort of engineering like this before, i know what i'm
>doing with a spanner and a soldering iron but i have this urge to start
>making things, if you know what i mean?, i would like eventually to be able
>to make my own air rifle and possibly small engines for r/c cars, more for
>the sake of it than any other reason.
>
>so i would like to have a lathe and a milling machine, what sort of size
>would i be able to get in a shop of this size?
>
>are there any books people would recommend for complete newbie?
>
>hope there aren't too many questions here :-)
>
James,

Don't have anything to add to the helpful replies you have received.

However, if you plan to make an air rifle, you should take great care to
ensure its muzzle energy can not exceed 12 ft lbs for any shot with any
ammunition. If it does, it will class as a section 1 firearm and require
a firearm certificate. Offences under the Firearms Acts are absolute
offences, which is to say that being unaware of the fact that your
weapon is illegal is no defence.

Also, I assume you would use a commercial barrel - making rifled barrels
is not something to contemplate unless you are very, very skilled in the
engineering involved.

David
--
David Littlewood

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