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over clocking 3 phase motors Andrew Bishop 06-15-2008
Posted by Andrew Bishop on June 15, 2008, 6:16 pm
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what sort of maximum frequency can I run a 3 phase 3 hp motor at
running 240 3 phase without killing motor

Thanks Andrew Bishop

Posted by Tony Jeffree on June 15, 2008, 6:47 pm
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:16:22 -0700 (PDT), Andrew Bishop

>what sort of maximum frequency can I run a 3 phase 3 hp motor at
>running 240 3 phase without killing motor
>
>Thanks Andrew Bishop

I have the VFD set for a max frequency of 120 Hz (so 2.4 times rated
speed) on my ML-7; seems to work a treat. The motor hasn't died yet...

Regards,
Tony

Posted by Andrew Bishop on June 15, 2008, 6:59 pm
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> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:16:22 -0700 (PDT), Andrew Bishop
>
> >what sort of maximum frequency can I run a 3 phase 3 hp motor at
> >running 240 3 phase without killing motor
>
> >Thanks Andrew Bishop
>
> I have the VFD set for a max frequency of 120 Hz (so 2.4 times rated
> speed) on my ML-7; seems to work a treat. The motor hasn't died yet...
>
> Regards,
> Tony

sounds good to me

Thanks Andrew

Posted by Charles Ping on June 16, 2008, 4:14 am
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wrote:
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> > On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:16:22 -0700 (PDT), Andrew Bishop
>
> > >what sort of maximum frequency can I run a 3 phase 3 hp motor at
> > >running 240 =A0 3 phase =A0 without killing motor
>
> > >Thanks Andrew Bishop
>
> > I have the VFD set for a max frequency of 120 Hz (so 2.4 times rated
> > speed) on my ML-7; seems to work a treat. The motor hasn't died yet...
>
> > Regards,
> > Tony
>
> sounds good to me
>
> Thanks Andrew

Frequency wise I'd agree - 120hz seems fine.
However If you're doing that to a 2 pole (3000rpm) it'll be whirring
along at 6000rpm. Personally I'd be frightened at that.
A 4 pole (1500rpm) motor running at 3000rpm is probably OK since it's
the same mechanical starting point as the 2 pole one.

Charles

Posted by on June 16, 2008, 4:34 am
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> wrote:
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> > > On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:16:22 -0700 (PDT), Andrew Bishop
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> > > >what sort of maximum frequency can I run a 3 phase 3 hp motor at
> > > >running 240 3 phase without killing motor
>
> > > >Thanks Andrew Bishop
>
> > > I have the VFD set for a max frequency of 120 Hz (so 2.4 times rated
> > > speed) on my ML-7; seems to work a treat. The motor hasn't died yet...
>
> > > Regards,
> > > Tony
>
> > sounds good to me
>
> > Thanks Andrew
>
> Frequency wise I'd agree - 120hz seems fine.
> However If you're doing that to a 2 pole (3000rpm) it'll be whirring
> along at 6000rpm. Personally I'd be frightened at that.
> A 4 pole (1500rpm) motor running at 3000rpm is probably OK since it's
> the same mechanical starting point as the 2 pole one.
>
> Charles

Depends on the motor, age and construction.
I once tool a 1HP brooke Gryphon, the type that was very popular a
few years ago, and operspeeded it to see how fast it would go.
Standard 1425 rev 4 poler, up to 90 Hz it was Ok but after that it got
lumpy, and started to make a noise like a phase down, at 120 hz it was
actually slowing down and getting hot.

It's all to do with the % of iron to copper and saturation, ear of
bat, tongue of newt etc.

Modern metric frame motors don't have the problem.

As a rider to overspeeding I have converted six or seven 3/4Hp 2
polers to run at 12,000 with no problems, it took a new end shield
with double bearings and a rewind but they are now running as spindle
motors on CNC routers.

John S.

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