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quick question Austin Shackles 04-30-2008
Posted by Austin Shackles on April 30, 2008, 2:26 pm
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What's a typical cutting speed for (assumed) mild steel, using an HSS tool?

I've got some steel van wheels on which I need to put chamfers on the holes.
I've got a 90 degree 6-flute cutter, but I'm wondering what speed I can run
it. The drill which will be easiest to use only goes down to about 450rpm.
To use the big drill (which will run slower) I have to do the work with the
tyres off, which makes it more hassle.

I don't know that they're mild steel, mark you. But I doubt they're
anything exotic.
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Posted by mark@ems-fife.co.uk on April 30, 2008, 3:28 pm
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On 30 Apr, 19:26, Austin Shackles
> What's a typical cutting speed for (assumed) mild steel, using an HSS tool?
>
> I've got some steel van wheels on which I need to put chamfers on the holes.
> I've got a 90 degree 6-flute cutter, but I'm wondering what speed I can run
> it. The drill which will be easiest to use only goes down to about 450rpm.
> To use the big drill (which will run slower) I have to do the work with the
> tyres off, which makes it more hassle.
>
> I don't know that they're mild steel, mark you. But I doubt they're
> anything exotic.
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms...
> ------------------------------------------------
> >> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << ...and Kill them.
> a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too!

Rule of thumb for HSS on mild steel is 70 feet/minute.Sounds like a
countersink you have so could drop to lower speed,try 50 FPM.Main
thing is to cut rather than rub and chatter.Always start slow and work
up so you don`t burn the tool out.

Posted by Tim Leech on April 30, 2008, 3:42 pm
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:26:29 +0100, Austin Shackles

>
>What's a typical cutting speed for (assumed) mild steel, using an HSS tool?
>
>I've got some steel van wheels on which I need to put chamfers on the holes.
>I've got a 90 degree 6-flute cutter, but I'm wondering what speed I can run
>it. The drill which will be easiest to use only goes down to about 450rpm.
>To use the big drill (which will run slower) I have to do the work with the
>tyres off, which makes it more hassle.
>
>I don't know that they're mild steel, mark you. But I doubt they're
>anything exotic.

I sometimes do hole chamfers for flush rivetting with a 3-flute
countersink in a mini mag drill, which runs at 450 rpm. If everything
isn't 'just so' it will tend to chatter, I should think a hand-held
drill would be worse. Holes are usually around 5/8" dia.

Tim


Posted by Austin Shackles on April 30, 2008, 4:53 pm
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On or around Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:42:58 +0100, Tim Leech

>On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:26:29 +0100, Austin Shackles
>
>>
>>What's a typical cutting speed for (assumed) mild steel, using an HSS tool?
>>
>>I've got some steel van wheels on which I need to put chamfers on the holes.
>>I've got a 90 degree 6-flute cutter, but I'm wondering what speed I can run
>>it. The drill which will be easiest to use only goes down to about 450rpm.
>>To use the big drill (which will run slower) I have to do the work with the
>>tyres off, which makes it more hassle.
>>
>>I don't know that they're mild steel, mark you. But I doubt they're
>>anything exotic.
>
>I sometimes do hole chamfers for flush rivetting with a 3-flute
>countersink in a mini mag drill, which runs at 450 rpm. If everything
>isn't 'just so' it will tend to chatter, I should think a hand-held
>drill would be worse. Holes are usually around 5/8" dia.

this is going to be done in the new toy, which is the floor-mounted version
of this:

http://www.axminster.co.uk/product-Perform-CCRD-Radial-Pillar-Drill-21729.htm

cheap but not too badly made. The 6-flute 'sink is supposed not to chatter
so much...

hmmm.

say 1" dia, that's about 3" circumference or abotu a quarter of a foot, and
450 rpm... 112.5 FPM. bit fast, then, I really want about a couple of
hundred rpm. arse, that means bringing the wheels here from the tyre place,
working on them and taking them back to have tyres fitted. The big machine
that goes slowly doesn't have enough overhang.

That or modify the drill, of course - I had been thinking about an idler
pulley set and 2 belts to get more speeds, and I've got a spare pulley block
somewhere...

However, Ideally I want it done tomorrow, provided the wheels are to hand.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms...
------------------------------------------------
>> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << ...and Kill them.
a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too!

Posted by mark on April 30, 2008, 5:11 pm
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On Apr 30, 9:53=A0pm, Austin Shackles
> On or around Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:42:58 +0100, Tim Leech
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:26:29 +0100, Austin Shackles
>
> >>What's a typical cutting speed for (assumed) mild steel, using an HSS to=
ol?
>
> >>I've got some steel van wheels on which I need to put chamfers on the ho=
les.
> >>I've got a 90 degree 6-flute cutter, but I'm wondering what speed I can =
run
> >>it. =A0The drill which will be easiest to use only goes down to about 45=
0rpm.
> >>To use the big drill (which will run slower) I have to do the work with =
the
> >>tyres off, which makes it more hassle.
>
> >>I don't know that they're mild steel, mark you. =A0But I doubt they're
> >>anything exotic.
>
> >I sometimes do hole chamfers for flush rivetting with a 3-flute
> >countersink in a mini mag drill, which runs at 450 rpm. If everything
> >isn't 'just so' it will tend to chatter, I should think a hand-held
> >drill would be worse. Holes are usually around 5/8" dia.
>
> this is going to be done in the new toy, which is the floor-mounted versio=
n
> of this:
>
> http://www.axminster.co.uk/product-Perform-CCRD-Radial-Pillar-Drill-2...
>
> cheap but not too badly made. =A0The 6-flute 'sink is supposed not to chat=
ter
> so much...
>
> hmmm.
>
> say 1" dia, that's about 3" circumference or abotu a quarter of a foot, an=
d
> 450 rpm... 112.5 FPM. =A0bit fast, then, I really want about a couple of
> hundred rpm. =A0arse, that means bringing the wheels here from the tyre pl=
ace,
> working on them and taking them back to have tyres fitted. =A0The big mach=
ine
> that goes slowly doesn't have enough overhang.
>
> That or modify the drill, of course - I had been thinking about an idler
> pulley set and 2 belts to get more speeds, and I've got a spare pulley blo=
ck
> somewhere...
>
> However, Ideally I want it done tomorrow, provided the wheels are to hand.=

>


YEAH right ....."TOY"

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all the best.markj


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