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sonic/laser measure Emimec 04-02-2008
Posted by Chris Edwards on April 3, 2008, 12:11 pm
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On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:24:37 +0100, Richard Edwards

>On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:56:54 +0100, "Andrew Mawson"
>
>>
>>>
>>> > Emimec wrote:
>>> >> I cut many varying lengths, to a bar stop, on a chop saw. I was
>>wondering
>>> >> if a sonic or laser measure with some sort of digital readout
>>could be
>>> >> incorporated in the bar stop to give a quick and accurate
>>distance
>>> >> measure from the blade. Lengths cut vary from 500mm to 1500mm,
>>including
>>> >> half a mm measurements. By that I mean one length could be
>>1037.5mm, and
>>> >> needs to be as spot on as it can be, (currently done with a steel
>>2 metre
>>> >> rule and magnifying glass!!!)
>>> >> Anyone done this or can point me in the right direction, the
>>purpose of
>>> >> the idea being speed of set up with accuracy.
>>> >> Bob
>>> >
>>> > Not sure it would work well Bob.
>>> >
>>> > The ultrasonic devices I just looked up after reading your message
>>quote
>>> > 1% accuracy and distances >600mm.
>>> >
>>> > The laser ones seem to have a 1.5mm accuracy, bit of a large tol
>>> > considering I routinely cut to a 0.1mm accuracy repeatable on my
>>cutoff
>>> > saw.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Wayne....
>>>
>>> Many thanks, another great idea bites the dust then !!!
>>> Seems I'll need to get a bigger magnifying glass !!!
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>Bob,
>>
>>If you are cutting to a stop on a chop saw then presumably the blanks
>>are not too long, could you use a conventional dro scale, with your
>>stop fixed to the sliding head? One company (was it Mitutoyo?) brought
>>out a magnetic strip that could be cut to length and self stuck to a
>>machine bed, with a reader head that passed over it. Alternatively,
>>those cheap dro heads from BW Electronics that have a reel of fine
>>stainless wire that follows the movement of your stop:
>>
>>http://www.bwelectronics.co.uk/
>>
>>AWEM
>>
>The pull out wire unit only has a max read length of 500mm. However
>how about using this together with a main bar that can only be locked
>at 500mm increments. The readout fixed to the bar and linked to the
>actual stop which slides along the end 500-600mm length of the bar.
>This would give you what you need at low cost with a fast setup.

                mmmmm......not so sure about the low cost bit. A sensor
and a display unit is best part of £250 if I read it right. On the other
hand, I have had two of these units for several years, a set on a mill and
a set on a Myford...and have had no problems.
--

Chris Edwards (in deepest Dorset) "....there *must* be an easier way!"


Posted by Andrew Mawson on April 3, 2008, 12:50 pm
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> On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:24:37 +0100, Richard Edwards
>
> >On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:56:54 +0100, "Andrew Mawson"
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>> > Emimec wrote:
> >>> >> I cut many varying lengths, to a bar stop, on a chop saw. I
was
> >>wondering
> >>> >> if a sonic or laser measure with some sort of digital readout
> >>could be
> >>> >> incorporated in the bar stop to give a quick and accurate
> >>distance
> >>> >> measure from the blade. Lengths cut vary from 500mm to
1500mm,
> >>including
> >>> >> half a mm measurements. By that I mean one length could be
> >>1037.5mm, and
> >>> >> needs to be as spot on as it can be, (currently done with a
steel
> >>2 metre
> >>> >> rule and magnifying glass!!!)
> >>> >> Anyone done this or can point me in the right direction, the
> >>purpose of
> >>> >> the idea being speed of set up with accuracy.
> >>> >> Bob
> >>> >
> >>> > Not sure it would work well Bob.
> >>> >
> >>> > The ultrasonic devices I just looked up after reading your
message
> >>quote
> >>> > 1% accuracy and distances >600mm.
> >>> >
> >>> > The laser ones seem to have a 1.5mm accuracy, bit of a large
tol
> >>> > considering I routinely cut to a 0.1mm accuracy repeatable on
my
> >>cutoff
> >>> > saw.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Wayne....
> >>>
> >>> Many thanks, another great idea bites the dust then !!!
> >>> Seems I'll need to get a bigger magnifying glass !!!
> >>> Bob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Bob,
> >>
> >>If you are cutting to a stop on a chop saw then presumably the
blanks
> >>are not too long, could you use a conventional dro scale, with
your
> >>stop fixed to the sliding head? One company (was it Mitutoyo?)
brought
> >>out a magnetic strip that could be cut to length and self stuck to
a
> >>machine bed, with a reader head that passed over it.
Alternatively,
> >>those cheap dro heads from BW Electronics that have a reel of fine
> >>stainless wire that follows the movement of your stop:
> >>
> >>http://www.bwelectronics.co.uk/
> >>
> >>AWEM
> >>
> >The pull out wire unit only has a max read length of 500mm. However
> >how about using this together with a main bar that can only be
locked
> >at 500mm increments. The readout fixed to the bar and linked to the
> >actual stop which slides along the end 500-600mm length of the bar.
> >This would give you what you need at low cost with a fast setup.
>
> mmmmm......not so sure about the low cost bit. A sensor
> and a display unit is best part of £250 if I read it right. On the
other
> hand, I have had two of these units for several years, a set on a
mill and
> a set on a Myford...and have had no problems.
> --
>
> Chris Edwards (in deepest Dorset) "....there *must* be an
easier way!"

The "391" will measure 48" and costs £166, no need for separate
display as it's built in. I fitted a three axis system to my
Bridgeport many years ago as it was all I could afford at the time.
However I was so impressed with the facility of having a dro was
persuaded to buy 'proper' ones (Newall spherosyn) for the lathe and
grinders when later I could afford them. Never seen fit to replace the
ones on the Brigeport as they are quite adequate for my usage.

AWEM


Posted by Chris Edwards on April 3, 2008, 2:14 pm
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On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:50:49 +0100, "Andrew Mawson"
"
>
>The "391" will measure 48" and costs £166, no need for separate
>display as it's built in. I fitted a three axis system to my
>Bridgeport many years ago as it was all I could afford at the time.
>However I was so impressed with the facility of having a dro was
>persuaded to buy 'proper' ones (Newall spherosyn) for the lathe and
>grinders when later I could afford them. Never seen fit to replace the
>ones on the Brigeport as they are quite adequate for my usage.

        Roger that..I didn't scroll far enough down the BW Electronics'
page.
--

Chris Edwards (in deepest Dorset) "....there *must* be an easier way!"


Posted by Richard Edwards on April 3, 2008, 2:42 pm
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On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:50:49 +0100, "Andrew Mawson"


>> >The pull out wire unit only has a max read length of 500mm. However
>> >how about using this together with a main bar that can only be
>locked
>> >at 500mm increments. The readout fixed to the bar and linked to the
>> >actual stop which slides along the end 500-600mm length of the bar.
>> >This would give you what you need at low cost with a fast setup.
>>
>> mmmmm......not so sure about the low cost bit. A sensor
>> and a display unit is best part of £250 if I read it right. On the
>other
>> hand, I have had two of these units for several years, a set on a
>mill and
>> a set on a Myford...and have had no problems.
>> --
>>
>> Chris Edwards (in deepest Dorset) "....there *must* be an
>easier way!"
>
>The "391" will measure 48" and costs £166, no need for separate
>display as it's built in. I fitted a three axis system to my
>Bridgeport many years ago as it was all I could afford at the time.
>However I was so impressed with the facility of having a dro was
>persuaded to buy 'proper' ones (Newall spherosyn) for the lathe and
>grinders when later I could afford them. Never seen fit to replace the
>ones on the Brigeport as they are quite adequate for my usage.
>
>AWEM
Actually thinking about it. Use the smaller of the pull out wire type
units. Fix the wire to the product stop plate, fix the readout to
something that slides along the stop bar. Machine holes at 500mm
increments along the bar. Loose pin the Head unit to the bar as
appropriate to the length to be measured. £141 plus a bit of time.

Actually thinking about it, fix the head to the stop plate and loose
pin the wire end to the bar. That way the readout is infront of you as
you adjust the stop plate.

One post and already two revisions!

--

Richard

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Posted by Dragon on April 3, 2008, 4:15 pm
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> The pull out wire unit only has a max read length of 500mm.

They also do one with 1200mm at little extra cost
http://www.bwelectronics.co.uk/systems/391.html

Are they still trading?
Their Home page has a For sale list dated 1999!

Henry




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