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Identifying argon? steamer 02-28-2008
Posted by steamer on February 28, 2008, 11:42 am
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        --Speaking of gasses the last time Ernie came a-calling he pointed
out that my "argon" tank was, in fact, full of CO2. He could tell by the way
the arc was struck, but I couldn't see it. Can someone suggest a method that
would allow mere mortals to tell these two gasses apart? I'm wondering if
bubbling it thru some common liquid might make a distinctive change or some
such..

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Posted by Martin Whybrow on February 28, 2008, 12:44 pm
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> --Speaking of gasses the last time Ernie came a-calling he pointed
> out that my "argon" tank was, in fact, full of CO2. He could tell by the
> way
> the arc was struck, but I couldn't see it. Can someone suggest a method
> that
> would allow mere mortals to tell these two gasses apart? I'm wondering if
> bubbling it thru some common liquid might make a distinctive change or
> some
> such..
>
> --
> "Steamboat Ed" Haas : Don't forget to spay and
> Hacking the Trailing Edge! : neuter your politicians...
> www.nmpproducts.com
> ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

Well, you may be able to tell if it's CO2 that way; CO2 is soluble in water
and will produce a mild acid which you could check for with pH indicator
strips.
Argon is inert so very difficult to test other than by an electrical
discharge at reduced pressure where it has a lilac glow.
Martin
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Posted by jusme on February 28, 2008, 1:59 pm
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Couldn't you flow the CO2 through a hose into a glass of water and then,
shake the water to see if it fizzes or, taste it to detect the carbonation
or some such?

I think this is the way carbonated water is made.

j/b


> --Speaking of gasses the last time Ernie came a-calling he pointed
> out that my "argon" tank was, in fact, full of CO2. He could tell by the
> way
> the arc was struck, but I couldn't see it. Can someone suggest a method
> that
> would allow mere mortals to tell these two gasses apart? I'm wondering if
> bubbling it thru some common liquid might make a distinctive change or
> some
> such..
>
> --
> "Steamboat Ed" Haas : Don't forget to spay and
> Hacking the Trailing Edge! : neuter your politicians...
> www.nmpproducts.com
> ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---



Posted by Leo Lichtman on February 28, 2008, 5:51 pm
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"jusme" wrote: Couldn't you flow the CO2 through a hose into a glass of
water and then,
> shake the water to see if it fizzes or, taste it to detect the carbonation
> or some such?
>
> I think this is the way carbonated water is made.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Carbonated water is made by allowing pressurized CO2 to dissolve in in
water. That is why it fizzes when the pressure is removed.

If your cylinder contains CO2, it is most likely partially full of liquid.
You should be able to tell this by laying it on its side and trying to
balance it on a piece of wood or pipe. If it contains liquid it will be
extremely difficult or impossible to balance, because the liquid will always
go to the low side and cause it to tip.

How would CO2 get into an argon cylinder? Are the threads the same?



Posted by Tom M on February 28, 2008, 7:22 pm
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>
> "jusme" wrote: Couldn't you flow the CO2 through a hose into a glass of
> water and then,
>> shake the water to see if it fizzes or, taste it to detect the
>> carbonation or some such?
>>
>> I think this is the way carbonated water is made.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Carbonated water is made by allowing pressurized CO2 to dissolve in in
> water. That is why it fizzes when the pressure is removed.
>
> If your cylinder contains CO2, it is most likely partially full of liquid.
> You should be able to tell this by laying it on its side and trying to
> balance it on a piece of wood or pipe. If it contains liquid it will be
> extremely difficult or impossible to balance, because the liquid will
> always go to the low side and cause it to tip.
>
> How would CO2 get into an argon cylinder? Are the threads the same?

Yes



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