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Lincoln SP series mig welders versus a retail version? Brent 09-27-2007
Posted by Brent on September 27, 2007, 5:09 am
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Hey all And apologies in advance for the crosspost between RCM and
SEJW

I'm looking for advice with ragards to the lower end of the mig welder
family

I'm curious as to whether there are any real difference between the
Lincoln MIG's that are packaged for retail and the SP-135 and SP-175

I'm looking at a Mig pack 15 retail package and trying to find out if
there IS any actual REAL difference between it and the SP-175

My primary machine is a Miller Synchrowave 200 but i'm looking for the
MIG to try and close the gap on the two biggest limitations of the
Synchrowave Portability and outdoor environments.

I've had several instances where a portable outdoor welder is needed
over a bench welder that welds great. Mainly for one simple reason I
dont have a garage so any big project like automobile welding has to
be done outdoors in the driveway

Although I can use Stick welding for outdoor environments portability
is obviously an issue and Myself and SMAW will not get along well on
the thin materials i usually weld. I wont blame the machine i'll blame
the operator but stick and sheet metal are not my cup of tea

>From careful studying of the stats for the MIG pack 15 and SP-175 it
Looks like the only difference is marketing because they have the same
gun they run the same wire sizes the same wirefeed speeds and the same
Nominal amperage and duty cycle. Is there something I'm missing that
statistics dont tell? Even the LIST PRICES are almost a dead match.

Am i nuts here and there IS a real difference? or am i thinking along
the right lines that the machines are identical except for some labels
and marketing?

I am Aware i need to add an appropriate regulator to the mig pack 15
if i'm going to use it for GMAW instead of FCAW but i have the hose
and its just a case of getting or using an appropriate regulator for
the gas i have.

FYI The biggest reason i'm even considering a retail welder is the
clearance price on it at the moment.

Thanks in advance for your help

Brent
Ottawa Canada


Posted by Gerry on September 27, 2007, 8:28 am
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> Hey all And apologies in advance for the crosspost between RCM and
> SEJW
>
> I'm looking for advice with ragards to the lower end of the mig welder
> family
>
> I'm curious as to whether there are any real difference between the
> Lincoln MIG's that are packaged for retail and the SP-135 and SP-175
>
> I'm looking at a Mig pack 15 retail package and trying to find out if
> there IS any actual REAL difference between it and the SP-175
>
> My primary machine is a Miller Synchrowave 200 but i'm looking for the
> MIG to try and close the gap on the two biggest limitations of the
> Synchrowave Portability and outdoor environments.
>
> I've had several instances where a portable outdoor welder is needed
> over a bench welder that welds great. Mainly for one simple reason I
> dont have a garage so any big project like automobile welding has to
> be done outdoors in the driveway
>
> Although I can use Stick welding for outdoor environments portability
> is obviously an issue and Myself and SMAW will not get along well on
> the thin materials i usually weld. I wont blame the machine i'll blame
> the operator but stick and sheet metal are not my cup of tea
>
> >From careful studying of the stats for the MIG pack 15 and SP-175 it
>
> Looks like the only difference is marketing because they have the same
> gun they run the same wire sizes the same wirefeed speeds and the same
> Nominal amperage and duty cycle. Is there something I'm missing that
> statistics dont tell? Even the LIST PRICES are almost a dead match.
>
> Am i nuts here and there IS a real difference? or am i thinking along
> the right lines that the machines are identical except for some labels
> and marketing?
>
> I am Aware i need to add an appropriate regulator to the mig pack 15
> if i'm going to use it for GMAW instead of FCAW but i have the hose
> and its just a case of getting or using an appropriate regulator for
> the gas i have.
>
> FYI The biggest reason i'm even considering a retail welder is the
> clearance price on it at the moment.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help
>
> Brent
> Ottawa Canada

I had a SP-100, 110V version of their Mig wire feed welder. It was
crap with a capitol C. Would not feed consistently no matter what I
did. Speed settines were not the same from one day to the next.
Someone stole it from me-and they deserve to have it


Posted by Joe Pfeiffer on September 27, 2007, 10:20 am
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> I had a SP-100, 110V version of their Mig wire feed welder. It was
> crap with a capitol C. Would not feed consistently no matter what I
> did. Speed settines were not the same from one day to the next.
> Someone stole it from me-and they deserve to have it

I find myself wondering just what the SP-100 really is -- I've seen
them for sale, and they look like a Harbor Freight league piece of
Chinese equipment (rocker switches to select voltage...). Lincoln
doesn't even list them on their site.

Posted by Snag on September 27, 2007, 8:49 pm
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Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>
>> I had a SP-100, 110V version of their Mig wire feed welder. It was
>> crap with a capitol C. Would not feed consistently no matter what I
>> did. Speed settines were not the same from one day to the next.
>> Someone stole it from me-and they deserve to have it
>
> I find myself wondering just what the SP-100 really is -- I've seen
> them for sale, and they look like a Harbor Freight league piece of
> Chinese equipment (rocker switches to select voltage...). Lincoln
> doesn't even list them on their site.

I like my Weldpak 100 ... limited in capacity and duty cycle , but it
works great within those limitations . I'm using .025" wire and CO2 , and
can do small stuff up to 1/4" thick with some preheat . What it isn't big
enough for , there's always the 225 amp buzzbox .

--

Snag aka OSG #1
'90 Ultra , "Strider"
The road goes on forever ...
none to one to reply



Posted by Joe Pfeiffer on September 27, 2007, 10:17 am
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> Hey all And apologies in advance for the crosspost between RCM and
> SEJW
>
> I'm looking for advice with ragards to the lower end of the mig welder
> family
>
> I'm curious as to whether there are any real difference between the
> Lincoln MIG's that are packaged for retail and the SP-135 and SP-175

I'm looking at Lincoln's site
(http://www.mylincolnelectric.com/Catalog/equipmentseries.aspx?browse=101|241|),
and they don't look terribly similar -- to start with, the SP-175 is
listed there as a 208/230 V, not a 110. It's also a 175 amp max, not
a 135... the duty cycles are also pretty different.

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