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Posted by Gunner Asch on April 28, 2008, 4:31 am
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>> So I powered it up today to diagnose what is really going on.
>>
>> 1. It will not dial down to less than about 111 amps,using either the
>> pedal, or the main amp control pot. The machine has digital display
>> for volts and amps, and with the main control all the way down, I get
>> an E11, and turn it a smidge, shows 111, then as the knob is turned,
>> goes all the way to 375 amps as one would expect
>> Hooking a stinger up, yes...it really is about 111 amps at low, and
>> all the way up blew an 80 amp breaker on my sub, so yes, that portion
>> is accurate.
>>
>I have one of these, and the Lincoln machine schematic, which is
>all they will give out to the general public. The current
>controls are potentiometers. I wonder if a wire has got a bad
>connection, leaving one end of the pot disconnected. Maybe you
>could read the voltage across the current set pot and I can
>compare it to my machine.
]
Thats what Im going to check tommorow. Oddly enough..it works fine in
AC stick mode.
The moment I put it to Tig, or DC stick, its full bore balls to the
wall. What the manual calls Stick Blast.
After posting the previous and reading some posts, I reread the manual
went back out and set everything to stick default, removed the pedal
and got it to work on AC stick normally.
But any DC mode and its 300 amps even though the amp meter reads 111
Its very possible it is the current pot.
The schematics that came with it give actual resistance values of
components so Ill start with the Current pot and wiring
Gunner
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Posted by Jon Elson on April 28, 2008, 1:22 pm
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Gunner Asch wrote:
> ]
>
> Thats what Im going to check tommorow. Oddly enough..it works fine in
> AC stick mode.
>
> The moment I put it to Tig, or DC stick, its full bore balls to the
> wall. What the manual calls Stick Blast.
>
> After posting the previous and reading some posts, I reread the manual
> went back out and set everything to stick default, removed the pedal
> and got it to work on AC stick normally.
>
> But any DC mode and its 300 amps even though the amp meter reads 111
>
Oh, this is different than what you originally described. Well,
if the current control is OK on stick mode, then most of the
really expensive stuff must be OK.
The first thing I'd do is flip every panel toggle switch 20
times to clean up the contacts. See if that helps at all.
I'm pretty sure there are microswitches or something similar
that tells the electronics where the AC/DC polarity handle is
set, they may need exercising, too.
This sounds like two different symptoms, at least. The current
meter doesn't read right at the low end, and the current control
isn't working right in TIG mode. Of course, there really is
little difference between the TIG and stick modes except
open-circuit voltage. There are a bunch of Molex connectors on
the boards. I have had a lot of trouble with this connector
type in rough environments. My machine is in the basement, but
if yours is in the garage or whatever, I'd definitely pull and
reseat every one of those connectors on the PC boards behind the
control panel. It just hinges down for easy access. That may
well fix the problem.
Jon
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Posted by Bob in Phx on April 29, 2008, 9:35 pm
Please log in for more thread options Molex type connectors do have a service life. The services life is governed
by how many times they have been removed and reseated. These connectors are
designed with a contact patch (normally tin coated) that will wear away to
base metal, base metal will corrode and then the connectors start to create
high resistance, thus burning out the connector or solid state part on the
board. If I recall correctly, most connectors had a 30 or 40 time reset
life. Not much of a life span, if they are reseated a lot... Just my two
cents worth about molex type connectors, Of course, I have no idea what's
really wrong with Gunners machine!!!!!!!! So I cant help there!!!!!!
bob in phx
> Gunner Asch wrote:
>> ]
>>
>> Thats what Im going to check tommorow. Oddly enough..it works fine in
>> AC stick mode.
>>
>> The moment I put it to Tig, or DC stick, its full bore balls to the
>> wall. What the manual calls Stick Blast.
>>
>> After posting the previous and reading some posts, I reread the manual
>> went back out and set everything to stick default, removed the pedal
>> and got it to work on AC stick normally.
>>
>> But any DC mode and its 300 amps even though the amp meter reads 111
>>
> Oh, this is different than what you originally described. Well, if the
> current control is OK on stick mode, then most of the really expensive
> stuff must be OK.
>
> The first thing I'd do is flip every panel toggle switch 20 times to clean
> up the contacts. See if that helps at all.
> I'm pretty sure there are microswitches or something similar that tells
> the electronics where the AC/DC polarity handle is set, they may need
> exercising, too.
>
> This sounds like two different symptoms, at least. The current meter
> doesn't read right at the low end, and the current control isn't working
> right in TIG mode. Of course, there really is little difference between
> the TIG and stick modes except open-circuit voltage. There are a bunch of
> Molex connectors on the boards. I have had a lot of trouble with this
> connector type in rough environments. My machine is in the basement, but
> if yours is in the garage or whatever, I'd definitely pull and reseat
> every one of those connectors on the PC boards behind the control panel.
> It just hinges down for easy access. That may well fix the problem.
>
> Jon
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Posted by Martin H. Eastburn on April 27, 2008, 10:23 pm
Please log in for more thread options Looks like you are getting some help - I saw on the pdf -
Don't switch the switches with the power on.
Wanta make a bet ? What is the temptation - not right switch to it...zap.
Since board after board wasn't a fix - it might be a switch or pot.
Might be cables to /from them.
Or any component, Rectifier or relay mounted off the board...
Martin
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Gunner Asch wrote:
> I picked up a Lincoln tig 300 square wave machine a couple weeks ago.
>
> Code 9298-ff
>
> The guy claimed that the power couldnt be dialed down to anything less
> than about 150 amps. Ive receipts for a number of boards he purchased
> in '00 etc etc, with no fix.
>
> So I powered it up today to diagnose what is really going on.
>
> 1. It will not dial down to less than about 111 amps,using either the
> pedal, or the main amp control pot. The machine has digital display
> for volts and amps, and with the main control all the way down, I get
> an E11, and turn it a smidge, shows 111, then as the knob is turned,
> goes all the way to 375 amps as one would expect
> Hooking a stinger up, yes...it really is about 111 amps at low, and
> all the way up blew an 80 amp breaker on my sub, so yes, that portion
> is accurate.
>
> There is no Hi/Low range switch on the machine.
>
> No output on AC. Tiny spark, but no real welding current, using local,
> or remote with a known good pedal. Pedal does kick the contactor, and
> does vari welding current, but wont bring it down below that 111
> volts.
>
> No HF in any configuration. This COULD be dirty points, as its not
> been used for at least 8 yrs, but thats not a big issue at the moment.
>
> First thing Ill do is check the main amps control pot, to make sure
> its in spec and both sides have the prope variable resistance.
>
> I do have the schematics and drawings, but was looking for some input
> on how things actually work..IE..when the main amp knob is turned, how
> is it actually controlling the output of the transformer?
>
> With a minimum current of 111 amps, something is not going low enough,
> or high enough to vari current to lower values.
>
> Why would it not have output on AC but does on DC? Thats a bit
> odd....
> Ill clean the AC/DC+/DC- selector switch of course.
> It IS a square wave machine, so whatever converts the AC sine to
> square wave sine may be an issue. I think thats some sort of chopper
> circuit?
>
> Anyone have any ideas or where to start looking? This is a weird one.
>
> The FF designation at the end of the code number means "full
> function"..whatever the hell that means. I assume its the timer
> circuits for post and pre flow, crater, spot etc ?
>
>
> Gunner
>
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Posted by BobH on April 27, 2008, 11:08 pm
Please log in for more thread options Gunner Asch wrote:
> I picked up a Lincoln tig 300 square wave machine a couple weeks ago.
>
> Code 9298-ff
>
> The guy claimed that the power couldnt be dialed down to anything less
> than about 150 amps. Ive receipts for a number of boards he purchased
> in '00 etc etc, with no fix.
>
> So I powered it up today to diagnose what is really going on.
>
> 1. It will not dial down to less than about 111 amps,using either the
> pedal, or the main amp control pot. The machine has digital display
> for volts and amps, and with the main control all the way down, I get
> an E11, and turn it a smidge, shows 111, then as the knob is turned,
> goes all the way to 375 amps as one would expect
> Hooking a stinger up, yes...it really is about 111 amps at low, and
> all the way up blew an 80 amp breaker on my sub, so yes, that portion
> is accurate.
>
> There is no Hi/Low range switch on the machine.
>
> No output on AC. Tiny spark, but no real welding current, using local,
> or remote with a known good pedal. Pedal does kick the contactor, and
> does vari welding current, but wont bring it down below that 111
> volts.
>
> No HF in any configuration. This COULD be dirty points, as its not
> been used for at least 8 yrs, but thats not a big issue at the moment.
>
> First thing Ill do is check the main amps control pot, to make sure
> its in spec and both sides have the prope variable resistance.
>
> I do have the schematics and drawings, but was looking for some input
> on how things actually work..IE..when the main amp knob is turned, how
> is it actually controlling the output of the transformer?
>
> With a minimum current of 111 amps, something is not going low enough,
> or high enough to vari current to lower values.
>
> Why would it not have output on AC but does on DC? Thats a bit
> odd....
> Ill clean the AC/DC+/DC- selector switch of course.
> It IS a square wave machine, so whatever converts the AC sine to
> square wave sine may be an issue. I think thats some sort of chopper
> circuit?
>
> Anyone have any ideas or where to start looking? This is a weird one.
>
> The FF designation at the end of the code number means "full
> function"..whatever the hell that means. I assume its the timer
> circuits for post and pre flow, crater, spot etc ?
>
>
> Gunner
I think it would be worth looking for a shorted SCR. They are not on a
board, so it doesn't sound like they got swapped by the previous owner.
It ought to show up poking around with an Ohmeter and the power off. I
looked at the PDF of the owners manual and did not see a schematic of
the machine. Can you post a pointer to the schematic?
Good Luck,
BobH
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>>
>> 1. It will not dial down to less than about 111 amps,using either the
>> pedal, or the main amp control pot. The machine has digital display
>> for volts and amps, and with the main control all the way down, I get
>> an E11, and turn it a smidge, shows 111, then as the knob is turned,
>> goes all the way to 375 amps as one would expect
>> Hooking a stinger up, yes...it really is about 111 amps at low, and
>> all the way up blew an 80 amp breaker on my sub, so yes, that portion
>> is accurate.
>>