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Posted by SteveB on March 19, 2008, 12:55 am
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Two questions, please. My battery was dead. I have it on an overnight
charge. When it was partially charged, I put it in my welding machine, a SA
200 to see if it would spin it. I had the plugs out, and the motor would
turn with a wrench on the main crank bolt holding on the bottom pulley.
It's not seized.
The starter has a solenoid with the large hot wire lug on the back and two
smaller terminals. I arced the hot and the smaller terminal to get the
starter to spin. It would spark a little, but wouldn't spin the starter. I
seem to remember this from my teenagerhood. Forgive me, lots of time has
passed, and a couple of head injuries has reshuffled my deck and left me
minus a card or two. Maybe the battery just didn't have enough juice to
kick the solenoid in. Am I right in remembering that arcing it like that
will make the solenoid kick in and spin the starter?
In the morning, I'm going to try it again, and take the battery to have it
tested, as it should be fully charged. If it's bad, just going to get a new
one. Then check the starter.
Second question ..... on the hoses, they seem to be in good shape. But if
they aren't too expensive, I think I'll just replace them. They have the
spring type clamps on there. They are tons of fun to work with, and I
always seem to pinch myself. Maybe I just need to spring for a set of those
special pliers. Are those spring clamps as good as the screw types? Or
should I just replace them all with good SS hose clamps.
I'm off with my box of old parts to NAPA tomorrow to get all I can and order
the rest. I have to pick up a 3/4" wrench that will fit where the starter
bolt is. If this battery won't spin the starter then I'll pull it and have
it tested.
Today, I did find a broken wire to the main on/off switch. Another thing on
the list. I tried arcing the starter, but it wouldn't spin. Ran out of
light, and there's always tomorrow. Now, it's a process of elimination.
I didn't pull the carb, as I figured I'd do that if it didn't fire. I don't
expect it to fire, but no sense doing all that if it would have worked
anyway. I'll just try it with some new gas. Removed the gas tank, and am
cleaning that out, too.
The wife hates that varnish smell of old old gasoline.
Thanks.
Steve
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Posted by Ignoramus25365 on March 18, 2008, 11:15 pm
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That's what I do with the engines that I messed with (diesel)
So, you connect the body of the starter to negative, the large
terminal on starter to positive (with lugs), and then connect that
with a live wire or switch to the small terminal on the starter. That
should get it to run.
i
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Posted by Gunner Asch on March 19, 2008, 3:00 am
Please log in for more thread options On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:15:49 -0500, Ignoramus25365
>That's what I do with the engines that I messed with (diesel)
>
>So, you connect the body of the starter to negative, the large
>terminal on starter to positive (with lugs), and then connect that
>with a live wire or switch to the small terminal on the starter. That
>should get it to run.
>
>i
Indeed. Some..some have external solenoids, so you can go directly to
the starter lug. Others must do as you stated.
The one I looked at today has a external solenoid. Red faced SA-200,
being rebuilt for the 4th time according to the owner. Its a late
1950s model, and has been in continious duty all that time, as a pipe
welder in the oil patch. Handed down from his daddy.
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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Posted by Gunner Asch on March 19, 2008, 5:12 am
Please log in for more thread options On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:56:40 -0700, Gunner Asch
>>
>>The starter has a solenoid with the large hot wire lug on the back and two
>>smaller terminals. I arced the hot and the smaller terminal to get the
>>starter to spin. It would spark a little, but wouldn't spin the starter. I
>>seem to remember this from my teenagerhood. Forgive me, lots of time has
>>passed, and a couple of head injuries has reshuffled my deck and left me
>>minus a card or two. Maybe the battery just didn't have enough juice to
>>kick the solenoid in. Am I right in remembering that arcing it like that
>>will make the solenoid kick in and spin the starter?
>
>Use jumper cables and go from your vehicle to the ground and that big
>lug. It should spin. If it doesnt, the starter is frozen. Wack it a
>couple times with a hammer.
Whoops..two smaller terminals indicate internal solenoid. My bad.
Hook jumper cable to big lug and with small wire, hit one or the other
to the big terminal lug and the solenoid should pull in and spin.
Tap with hammer etc.
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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Posted by IdaSpode on March 19, 2008, 11:18 am
Please log in for more thread options On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:56:40 -0700, Gunner Asch
>Use jumper cables and go from your vehicle to the ground and that big
>lug. It should spin. If it doesnt, the starter is frozen. Wack it a
>couple times with a hammer.
I'd also see if I could somehow manually turn the starter by hand or
wrench, if it sat a long time it may be partially seized in that
position.
On the other hand, the previous owner may have let the smoke out. As
we all know, most electrical devices operate on smoke, let it leak out
and it's toast...
DJ
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>So, you connect the body of the starter to negative, the large
>terminal on starter to positive (with lugs), and then connect that
>with a live wire or switch to the small terminal on the starter. That
>should get it to run.
>
>i