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Posted by Bob La Londe on July 11, 2008, 12:06 am
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Ok, I have definitely out grown my crackerbox and my china store flux
core welders. In addition my son plans to take welding when he starts
high school this fall. The second puts a little more impetuous behind
my drive to get a better welder. I've been seriously planning on a
new welding machine since Christmas, but Santa brought the kids go-
carts instead of bringing me a welder. My wife offered to put one on
one of her credit cards for my birthday and then for father's day, but
I really didn't want to put a couple grand on credit for something
that isn't business critical.
Now I'm really down to deciding if the Miller 252 is worth the extra
grand over the 212. We won't be welding every day, but we have
tackled some pretty involved projects a time or two. The last one was
converting an old boat trailer into a flatbed trailer to haul my
electric scissor lift. (Ok, that was kinda business critical, but I
got it done with what I had) The next project I want to play with is
learning to weld aluminum and repairing an old junk boat I bought just
to practice on... (The weight in aluminum is worth more than I paid,
and the trailer under it is decent.)
Actually, I plan to just buy a bunch of scrap aluminum to learn on
before tackling the boat repairs.
So, what does the 252 have or do that the 212 doesn't have. I seem to
recall that I was sold on the 212 last time I looked, but I don't
remember why.
I can get either one with dual regulators, dual tank rack, regular
gun, and spool gun in a package for $2100 or $3100 respectively.
(aproximately) I don't really have the extra grand to throw at the
252, but if it would really be worth it I could scrape it together
somehow.
I already have one flow regulator, and an Argon CO2 bottle (I used it
some with my china store welder) in the shop and Grampa (my dad)
brought over a full straight Argon bottle today for us when we are
ready to tackle aluminum stuff that he had left over from when he was
a dealer. (Along with a full acetylene bottle and a big empty O2
bottle. All I have given him recently was a nice metal door left over
from when I put up my shop. Dang. I bet he wants to borrow my
scissor lift to put up the overhead doors on his new shop. LOL)
212 easy and have cash left over for supplies and a nice dinner on the
town for the whole family or 252 and have to wait a while to buy
supplies and practice stock?
Is it worth a grand difference for a hobby project welder and his kid?
P.S. I plan to keep the cheapo welder for those small portable jobs.
Besides it works a lot better now that I added a cooling fan. Maybe
also for the kid to learn some basics on with thin hot rolled steel.
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com
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Posted by Bob La Londe on July 11, 2008, 12:38 pm
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There are so many experienced welders in this group that I was really
wondering why I hadn't gotten any opinions to mull over, then I realized
that I posted this via Google Groups, and some news servers are no filtering
posts from Google.
Anyway, ultimately I have to make my own choice as to whether or not its
worth it, but I have learned a lot from your opinions in the past.
> Ok, I have definitely out grown my crackerbox and my china store flux
> core welders. In addition my son plans to take welding when he starts
> high school this fall. The second puts a little more impetuous behind
> my drive to get a better welder. I've been seriously planning on a
> new welding machine since Christmas, but Santa brought the kids go-
> carts instead of bringing me a welder. My wife offered to put one on
> one of her credit cards for my birthday and then for father's day, but
> I really didn't want to put a couple grand on credit for something
> that isn't business critical.
>
> Now I'm really down to deciding if the Miller 252 is worth the extra
> grand over the 212. We won't be welding every day, but we have
> tackled some pretty involved projects a time or two. The last one was
> converting an old boat trailer into a flatbed trailer to haul my
> electric scissor lift. (Ok, that was kinda business critical, but I
> got it done with what I had) The next project I want to play with is
> learning to weld aluminum and repairing an old junk boat I bought just
> to practice on... (The weight in aluminum is worth more than I paid,
> and the trailer under it is decent.)
>
> Actually, I plan to just buy a bunch of scrap aluminum to learn on
> before tackling the boat repairs.
>
> So, what does the 252 have or do that the 212 doesn't have. I seem to
> recall that I was sold on the 212 last time I looked, but I don't
> remember why.
>
> I can get either one with dual regulators, dual tank rack, regular
> gun, and spool gun in a package for $2100 or $3100 respectively.
> (aproximately) I don't really have the extra grand to throw at the
> 252, but if it would really be worth it I could scrape it together
> somehow.
>
> I already have one flow regulator, and an Argon CO2 bottle (I used it
> some with my china store welder) in the shop and Grampa (my dad)
> brought over a full straight Argon bottle today for us when we are
> ready to tackle aluminum stuff that he had left over from when he was
> a dealer. (Along with a full acetylene bottle and a big empty O2
> bottle. All I have given him recently was a nice metal door left over
> from when I put up my shop. Dang. I bet he wants to borrow my
> scissor lift to put up the overhead doors on his new shop. LOL)
>
> 212 easy and have cash left over for supplies and a nice dinner on the
> town for the whole family or 252 and have to wait a while to buy
> supplies and practice stock?
>
> Is it worth a grand difference for a hobby project welder and his kid?
>
> P.S. I plan to keep the cheapo welder for those small portable jobs.
> Besides it works a lot better now that I added a cooling fan. Maybe
> also for the kid to learn some basics on with thin hot rolled steel.
>
> Bob La Londe
> http://www.YumaBassMan.com
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Posted by emmo on July 11, 2008, 2:12 pm
Please log in for more thread options Please accept these comments as intended, not as criticism, but as a help to
getting better answers.
Be more helpful. What are the differences in these two machines?
Be more complete. Include some links to the two machines.
Be more concise. I read about three hundred messages a day, and your's was
too long.
This is a great group, and I am happy that we are both here.
emmo
> There are so many experienced welders in this group that I was really
> wondering why I hadn't gotten any opinions to mull over, then I realized
> that I posted this via Google Groups, and some news servers are no
> filtering posts from Google.
>
> Anyway, ultimately I have to make my own choice as to whether or not its
> worth it, but I have learned a lot from your opinions in the past.
>
>> Ok, I have definitely out grown my crackerbox and my china store flux
>> core welders. In addition my son plans to take welding when he starts
>> high school this fall. The second puts a little more impetuous behind
>> my drive to get a better welder. I've been seriously planning on a
>> new welding machine since Christmas, but Santa brought the kids go-
>> carts instead of bringing me a welder. My wife offered to put one on
>> one of her credit cards for my birthday and then for father's day, but
>> I really didn't want to put a couple grand on credit for something
>> that isn't business critical.
>>
>> Now I'm really down to deciding if the Miller 252 is worth the extra
>> grand over the 212. We won't be welding every day, but we have
>> tackled some pretty involved projects a time or two. The last one was
>> converting an old boat trailer into a flatbed trailer to haul my
>> electric scissor lift. (Ok, that was kinda business critical, but I
>> got it done with what I had) The next project I want to play with is
>> learning to weld aluminum and repairing an old junk boat I bought just
>> to practice on... (The weight in aluminum is worth more than I paid,
>> and the trailer under it is decent.)
>>
>> Actually, I plan to just buy a bunch of scrap aluminum to learn on
>> before tackling the boat repairs.
>>
>> So, what does the 252 have or do that the 212 doesn't have. I seem to
>> recall that I was sold on the 212 last time I looked, but I don't
>> remember why.
>>
>> I can get either one with dual regulators, dual tank rack, regular
>> gun, and spool gun in a package for $2100 or $3100 respectively.
>> (aproximately) I don't really have the extra grand to throw at the
>> 252, but if it would really be worth it I could scrape it together
>> somehow.
>>
>> I already have one flow regulator, and an Argon CO2 bottle (I used it
>> some with my china store welder) in the shop and Grampa (my dad)
>> brought over a full straight Argon bottle today for us when we are
>> ready to tackle aluminum stuff that he had left over from when he was
>> a dealer. (Along with a full acetylene bottle and a big empty O2
>> bottle. All I have given him recently was a nice metal door left over
>> from when I put up my shop. Dang. I bet he wants to borrow my
>> scissor lift to put up the overhead doors on his new shop. LOL)
>>
>> 212 easy and have cash left over for supplies and a nice dinner on the
>> town for the whole family or 252 and have to wait a while to buy
>> supplies and practice stock?
>>
>> Is it worth a grand difference for a hobby project welder and his kid?
>>
>> P.S. I plan to keep the cheapo welder for those small portable jobs.
>> Besides it works a lot better now that I added a cooling fan. Maybe
>> also for the kid to learn some basics on with thin hot rolled steel.
>>
>> Bob La Londe
>> http://www.YumaBassMan.com
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Posted by Bob La Londe on July 11, 2008, 6:08 pm
Please log in for more thread options > Please accept these comments as intended, not as criticism, but as a help
> to getting better answers.
>
> Be more helpful. What are the differences in these two machines?
I thought that was what I asked.
> Be more complete. Include some links to the two machines.
www.ebay.com com for one. LOL.
> Be more concise. I read about three hundred messages a day, and your's
> was too long.
Ok, I talk to much. Got it.
Actually I read the differences in the two machines spec sheets. Was just
hoping somebody here might have pushed one or both of them to their limits
and have some first hand experience.
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com
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Posted by Grant Erwin on July 11, 2008, 6:32 pm
Please log in for more thread options Bob La Londe wrote:
>
>>Please accept these comments as intended, not as criticism, but as a help
>>to getting better answers.
>>
>>Be more helpful. What are the differences in these two machines?
>
>
> I thought that was what I asked.
>
>
>>Be more complete. Include some links to the two machines.
>
>
> www.ebay.com com for one. LOL.
>
>
>>Be more concise. I read about three hundred messages a day, and your's
>>was too long.
>
>
> Ok, I talk to much. Got it.
>
> Actually I read the differences in the two machines spec sheets. Was just
> hoping somebody here might have pushed one or both of them to their limits
> and have some first hand experience.
Bob, the 250 series machines are serious production machines. They also mate
with the Spoolmatic 30A, Miller's excellent spoolgun if you need one for
aluminum. The smaller machines may not work with the 30A and they will for
sure not have the amperage capability. You can use a 250 series machine
for spray mode MIG but you will need a much heavier gun than the one it
comes with. I have a Millermatic 250 (note, not a 250X) and I have made
a living with it for several years now. Day in day out, weld, weld. The
251 or 252 are just as robust.
I can't really comment on the smaller machine.
Grant
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> core welders. In addition my son plans to take welding when he starts
> high school this fall. The second puts a little more impetuous behind
> my drive to get a better welder. I've been seriously planning on a
> new welding machine since Christmas, but Santa brought the kids go-
> carts instead of bringing me a welder. My wife offered to put one on
> one of her credit cards for my birthday and then for father's day, but
> I really didn't want to put a couple grand on credit for something
> that isn't business critical.
>
> Now I'm really down to deciding if the Miller 252 is worth the extra
> grand over the 212. We won't be welding every day, but we have
> tackled some pretty involved projects a time or two. The last one was
> converting an old boat trailer into a flatbed trailer to haul my
> electric scissor lift. (Ok, that was kinda business critical, but I
> got it done with what I had) The next project I want to play with is
> learning to weld aluminum and repairing an old junk boat I bought just
> to practice on... (The weight in aluminum is worth more than I paid,
> and the trailer under it is decent.)
>
> Actually, I plan to just buy a bunch of scrap aluminum to learn on
> before tackling the boat repairs.
>
> So, what does the 252 have or do that the 212 doesn't have. I seem to
> recall that I was sold on the 212 last time I looked, but I don't
> remember why.
>
> I can get either one with dual regulators, dual tank rack, regular
> gun, and spool gun in a package for $2100 or $3100 respectively.
> (aproximately) I don't really have the extra grand to throw at the
> 252, but if it would really be worth it I could scrape it together
> somehow.
>
> I already have one flow regulator, and an Argon CO2 bottle (I used it
> some with my china store welder) in the shop and Grampa (my dad)
> brought over a full straight Argon bottle today for us when we are
> ready to tackle aluminum stuff that he had left over from when he was
> a dealer. (Along with a full acetylene bottle and a big empty O2
> bottle. All I have given him recently was a nice metal door left over
> from when I put up my shop. Dang. I bet he wants to borrow my
> scissor lift to put up the overhead doors on his new shop. LOL)
>
> 212 easy and have cash left over for supplies and a nice dinner on the
> town for the whole family or 252 and have to wait a while to buy
> supplies and practice stock?
>
> Is it worth a grand difference for a hobby project welder and his kid?
>
> P.S. I plan to keep the cheapo welder for those small portable jobs.
> Besides it works a lot better now that I added a cooling fan. Maybe
> also for the kid to learn some basics on with thin hot rolled steel.
>
> Bob La Londe
> http://www.YumaBassMan.com