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Posted by Todd Rich on July 11, 2008, 7:15 pm
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> Bob, the 250 series machines are serious production machines. They also mate
> with the Spoolmatic 30A, Miller's excellent spoolgun if you need one for
> aluminum. The smaller machines may not work with the 30A and they will for
> sure not have the amperage capability. You can use a 250 series machine
> for spray mode MIG but you will need a much heavier gun than the one it
> comes with. I have a Millermatic 250 (note, not a 250X) and I have made
> a living with it for several years now. Day in day out, weld, weld. The
> 251 or 252 are just as robust.
> I can't really comment on the smaller machine.
> Grant
I belive that Gunner was able to use the 30A on his 210 machine. But yes,
it will have less amperage and a shorter duty cycle.
Todd
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Posted by Bob La Londe on July 11, 2008, 8:31 pm
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> (snip)
>> Bob, the 250 series machines are serious production machines. They also
>> mate
>> with the Spoolmatic 30A, Miller's excellent spoolgun if you need one for
>> aluminum. The smaller machines may not work with the 30A and they will
>> for
>> sure not have the amperage capability. You can use a 250 series machine
>> for spray mode MIG but you will need a much heavier gun than the one it
>> comes with. I have a Millermatic 250 (note, not a 250X) and I have made
>> a living with it for several years now. Day in day out, weld, weld. The
>> 251 or 252 are just as robust.
>
>> I can't really comment on the smaller machine.
>
>> Grant
>
> I belive that Gunner was able to use the 30A on his 210 machine. But yes,
> it will have less amperage and a shorter duty cycle.
> Todd
Both package kits come with the same gun it looks like. I think I'll wait a
couple days an mull it over. I know that when I get in the groove and the
metal is flowing good there is nothing I hate more than sitting there and
waiting for my machine to cool down so I can get back to work.
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com
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Posted by Bob La Londe on July 11, 2008, 8:31 pm
Please log in for more thread options Meant to say same spool gun.
>> (snip)
>>> Bob, the 250 series machines are serious production machines. They also
>>> mate
>>> with the Spoolmatic 30A, Miller's excellent spoolgun if you need one for
>>> aluminum. The smaller machines may not work with the 30A and they will
>>> for
>>> sure not have the amperage capability. You can use a 250 series machine
>>> for spray mode MIG but you will need a much heavier gun than the one it
>>> comes with. I have a Millermatic 250 (note, not a 250X) and I have made
>>> a living with it for several years now. Day in day out, weld, weld. The
>>> 251 or 252 are just as robust.
>>
>>> I can't really comment on the smaller machine.
>>
>>> Grant
>>
>> I belive that Gunner was able to use the 30A on his 210 machine. But
>> yes,
>> it will have less amperage and a shorter duty cycle.
>> Todd
>
> Both package kits come with the same gun it looks like. I think I'll wait
> a couple days an mull it over. I know that when I get in the groove and
> the metal is flowing good there is nothing I hate more than sitting there
> and waiting for my machine to cool down so I can get back to work.
>
> Bob La Londe
> www.YumaBassMan.com
>
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Posted by Todd Rich on July 11, 2008, 9:16 pm
Please log in for more thread options > Meant to say same spool gun.
Yeah, I figured that was what you meant. I have a 251 myself, sans spool
gun, so I figured from the prices you were quoting, they were including
the gun.
A couple of things to note. The 252 tops out a 300 amps compared to 210
for the 212. Also the 212 has 7 taps for voltage and the 252 has a
infinite control dial for the voltage. I guess you have to figure out if
those features are worth it to you.
I went with the 251 because it was rated for 1/2" steel as opposed to 3/8"
and I had a large project that needed it.
And I tend to go with the philosphy of going for the best tool you can
reasonably afford. I know you were saying that if you got the 252 you
would have to wait a bit before you could really get into it. However
down the road, you will have passed that time, and if you have the 252,
you will have a machine that should serve you well for quite some time.
Todd
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Posted by Bob La Londe on July 11, 2008, 10:49 pm
Please log in for more thread options >> Meant to say same spool gun.
>
> Yeah, I figured that was what you meant. I have a 251 myself, sans spool
> gun, so I figured from the prices you were quoting, they were including
> the gun.
>
> A couple of things to note. The 252 tops out a 300 amps compared to 210
> for the 212. Also the 212 has 7 taps for voltage and the 252 has a
> infinite control dial for the voltage. I guess you have to figure out if
> those features are worth it to you.
>
> I went with the 251 because it was rated for 1/2" steel as opposed to 3/8"
> and I had a large project that needed it.
>
> And I tend to go with the philosphy of going for the best tool you can
> reasonably afford. I know you were saying that if you got the 252 you
> would have to wait a bit before you could really get into it. However
> down the road, you will have passed that time, and if you have the 252,
> you will have a machine that should serve you well for quite some time.
I've been kinda mulling that over and am leaning that way. One thing to
mention is that is it says 3/8 in one pass. I'm no great welder, but I have
welded 1/4 with a china box flux core by stitching in and out of the seam.
Its kinda like making multiple passes in one pass. It is slow, and my time
is valuable to me, so that may be a considering factor too. Still I haven't
worked on much that would require a lot of seams in 1/2 inch plate. Still,
speed could be a big factor. Hmmm. Must cogitate.
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com
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> with the Spoolmatic 30A, Miller's excellent spoolgun if you need one for
> aluminum. The smaller machines may not work with the 30A and they will for
> sure not have the amperage capability. You can use a 250 series machine
> for spray mode MIG but you will need a much heavier gun than the one it
> comes with. I have a Millermatic 250 (note, not a 250X) and I have made
> a living with it for several years now. Day in day out, weld, weld. The
> 251 or 252 are just as robust.