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Welder Choice for Newbie? Jones 04-18-2008
Posted by Jones on April 18, 2008, 3:53 pm
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Hello, all.

I'm looking for advice on getting my first welder.

Applications: Light fabrication, repairs and improvements to boat
trailers and riding mowers and woodworking equipment, and just
general-purpose work around the "farm," mainly with mild steel and cast
iron.

I have only welded once or twice with an arc welder (as a teenager).

Several of my friends tell me to get a wire-feed MIG welder because
(they say) it's easier for an amateur to get good results, and because
(apparently) the power requirements of a wire-feed MIG welder aren't as
intense as those of an arc welder.

However, I lean toward a regular arc welder because (as I understand
things, and please correct me where I'm wrong):
1. arc welders are cheaper to buy and feed supplies to than MIG wire
feed welders of similar quality;
2. arc welders are simpler to set up and take care of, if (somewhat)
more difficult to use satisfactorily; and
3. setting up an arc welder to do a particular job is probably going
to be simpler than for a MIG wire-feed welder, if only because there
are fewer variables.

In addition, power is not an issue for me, since I have 100A to my
shop/barn and a 230V/50A slot on the panel just waiting for a welder to
plug in.

I was considering purchasing a Hobart Stickmate AC/DC welder for about
$420 in part because I've heard that DC arc welding gives smoother
results than AC.

Do you more experienced welders think that such a welder would be a
decent choice for a newbie welder like me?

What about the MIG wire feed versus arc welding question in general?

As I said, I don't know how to weld yet, but I do understand some of
the fundamental theory from professional welder friends who have
explained it, and I'm fairly mechanically inclined and decent with my
hands (I do a lot of woodworking).

Thank you for any insights or advice.

Jonesy


Posted by Ignoramus15242 on April 18, 2008, 3:57 pm
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If you get a decent used welder, like a Miller XMT, you would be able
to make and repair virtually anything made of steel, regardless of
thickness.

i

Posted by Grant Erwin on April 18, 2008, 4:56 pm
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Jones wrote:

> Hello, all.
>
> I'm looking for advice on getting my first welder.
>
> Applications: Light fabrication, repairs and improvements to boat
> trailers and riding mowers and woodworking equipment, and just
> general-purpose work around the "farm," mainly with mild steel and cast
> iron.
>
> I have only welded once or twice with an arc welder (as a teenager).
>
> Several of my friends tell me to get a wire-feed MIG welder because
> (they say) it's easier for an amateur to get good results, and because
> (apparently) the power requirements of a wire-feed MIG welder aren't as
> intense as those of an arc welder.
>
> However, I lean toward a regular arc welder because (as I understand
> things, and please correct me where I'm wrong):
> 1. arc welders are cheaper to buy and feed supplies to than MIG wire
> feed welders of similar quality;
> 2. arc welders are simpler to set up and take care of, if (somewhat)
> more difficult to use satisfactorily; and
> 3. setting up an arc welder to do a particular job is probably going to
> be simpler than for a MIG wire-feed welder, if only because there are
> fewer variables.
>
> In addition, power is not an issue for me, since I have 100A to my
> shop/barn and a 230V/50A slot on the panel just waiting for a welder to
> plug in.
>
> I was considering purchasing a Hobart Stickmate AC/DC welder for about
> $420 in part because I've heard that DC arc welding gives smoother
> results than AC.
>
> Do you more experienced welders think that such a welder would be a
> decent choice for a newbie welder like me?
>
> What about the MIG wire feed versus arc welding question in general?
>
> As I said, I don't know how to weld yet, but I do understand some of the
> fundamental theory from professional welder friends who have explained
> it, and I'm fairly mechanically inclined and decent with my hands (I do
> a lot of woodworking).
>
> Thank you for any insights or advice.
>
> Jonesy
>

Cast iron is challenging to weld - I would forget about that for now.

Given that you want to weld mild steel, the next question is will every
workpiece be at least 1/8" thick? Because if you do have to weld sheet metal you
won't be happy with a stick welder, although there are some techniques you can
use that will help.

If you buy a stick welder, you absolutely want DC. No question. AC-only machines
are nearly impossible to resell. And for sure look locally for a used machine
before you consider a shiny new one. I see nice - really nice - small Miller
Thunderbolts (AC/DC) in the $100-150 range all the time where I live.

Actually, a small MIG welder (e.g. Lincoln SP175 or SP135) along with a small
stick welder (e.g. Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC) is a pretty handy setup.

Grant

Posted by xman on April 19, 2008, 7:48 am
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My welders for occasional use:

Lincoln sp85 mig with gas .030 wire
lincoln ac-225 arc
grizzly chinese H8153 tig/arc

rods 1/8/, 3/32

xman



Posted by Jones on April 19, 2008, 8:32 am
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> Jones wrote:
>
>> Hello, all.
>>
>> I'm looking for advice on getting my first welder.
>>
>> Applications: Light fabrication, repairs and improvements to boat
>> trailers and riding mowers and woodworking equipment, and just
>> general-purpose work around the "farm," mainly with mild steel and cast
>> iron.
>>
>> I have only welded once or twice with an arc welder (as a teenager).
>>
>> Several of my friends tell me to get a wire-feed MIG welder because
>> (they say) it's easier for an amateur to get good results, and because
>> (apparently) the power requirements of a wire-feed MIG welder aren't as
>> intense as those of an arc welder.
>>
>> However, I lean toward a regular arc welder because (as I understand
>> things, and please correct me where I'm wrong):
>> 1. arc welders are cheaper to buy and feed supplies to than MIG wire
>> feed welders of similar quality;
>> 2. arc welders are simpler to set up and take care of, if (somewhat)
>> more difficult to use satisfactorily; and
>> 3. setting up an arc welder to do a particular job is probably going
>> to be simpler than for a MIG wire-feed welder, if only because there
>> are fewer variables.
>>
>> In addition, power is not an issue for me, since I have 100A to my
>> shop/barn and a 230V/50A slot on the panel just waiting for a welder to
>> plug in.
>>
>> I was considering purchasing a Hobart Stickmate AC/DC welder for about
>> $420 in part because I've heard that DC arc welding gives smoother
>> results than AC.
>>
>> Do you more experienced welders think that such a welder would be a
>> decent choice for a newbie welder like me?
>>
>> What about the MIG wire feed versus arc welding question in general?
>>
>> As I said, I don't know how to weld yet, but I do understand some of
>> the fundamental theory from professional welder friends who have
>> explained it, and I'm fairly mechanically inclined and decent with my
>> hands (I do a lot of woodworking).
>>
>> Thank you for any insights or advice.
>>
>> Jonesy
>>
>
> Cast iron is challenging to weld - I would forget about that for now.
>
> Given that you want to weld mild steel, the next question is will every
> workpiece be at least 1/8" thick? Because if you do have to weld sheet
> metal you won't be happy with a stick welder, although there are some
> techniques you can use that will help.
>
> If you buy a stick welder, you absolutely want DC. No question. AC-only
> machines are nearly impossible to resell. And for sure look locally for
> a used machine before you consider a shiny new one. I see nice - really
> nice - small Miller Thunderbolts (AC/DC) in the $100-150 range all the
> time where I live.
>
> Actually, a small MIG welder (e.g. Lincoln SP175 or SP135) along with a
> small stick welder (e.g. Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC) is a pretty handy
> setup.
>
> Grant


Thanks for the reply, Grant.

Would a MIG or wire-feed welder be more suitable than an arc welder for
welds on material less than 1/8" do you think?

I'm still back-and-forth on the issue of flux-core wire-feed versus
straight arc welder.

Thanks again.

Jonesy.


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