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Posted by Steve B on June 6, 2007, 8:47 pm
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> Steve B wrote:
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>>>Steve B wrote:
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>>>>Yes, and now that he has wired it without a GFCI, ...
>>>
>>>I understood that there is still a GFI, but it is the panel breaker,
>>>rather than at the hot tub. Bob
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>>
>> Not sure now, either. But, still, I would think the best way would be to
>> have the GFCI on the tub, and a separate breaker and run to the welder.
>>
>> Film at eleven.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Most guys don't have enough room in the panel for an extra breaker. The OP
> has a GFCI in the circuit now, and his welder is working. He can't weld
> and
> run his hot tub at the same time, so that shouldn't be an issue.
>
> GWE
I have done the same thing. However, when any circuit is loaded up with
more load than it can handle, and juggling use comes into play just to avoid
overload, the circuit is just that. Overloaded.
I have a couple of these circuits at my cabin. You can't run the toaster
and microwave at the same time. The problem will be cured this season, and
new breakers and circuits run. Running more draw than a circuit is designed
for can be done, and it's done all the time. Sometimes it's done because
that's all ya got. And it can be safe. It's just not the best way to
handle electricity.
A breaker is heated up each time it is overloaded. That takes a toll over a
long time. Then, one time, it doesn't work, and you got a problem.
Steve
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Posted by Jimmie D on June 6, 2007, 10:22 pm
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>> Steve B wrote:
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>>>
>>>>Steve B wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Yes, and now that he has wired it without a GFCI, ...
>>>>
>>>>I understood that there is still a GFI, but it is the panel breaker,
>>>>rather than at the hot tub. Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure now, either. But, still, I would think the best way would be
>>> to have the GFCI on the tub, and a separate breaker and run to the
>>> welder.
>>>
>>> Film at eleven.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> Most guys don't have enough room in the panel for an extra breaker. The
>> OP
>> has a GFCI in the circuit now, and his welder is working. He can't weld
>> and
>> run his hot tub at the same time, so that shouldn't be an issue.
>>
>> GWE
>
> I have done the same thing. However, when any circuit is loaded up with
> more load than it can handle, and juggling use comes into play just to
> avoid overload, the circuit is just that. Overloaded.
>
> I have a couple of these circuits at my cabin. You can't run the toaster
> and microwave at the same time. The problem will be cured this season,
> and new breakers and circuits run. Running more draw than a circuit is
> designed for can be done, and it's done all the time. Sometimes it's done
> because that's all ya got. And it can be safe. It's just not the best
> way to handle electricity.
>
> A breaker is heated up each time it is overloaded. That takes a toll over
> a long time. Then, one time, it doesn't work, and you got a problem.
>
> Steve
>
Hot tub wasnt working so I just diconnected it. I got a lot more done on my
backyard projects than I planned so maybe the hot tub will be working Friday
when I hook it back up to a working circuit and I can use it to celebrate
finishing repairs to my daughters trampoline and gym set. Actually I didnt
know the hot tub had not been working as we drained it for the winter and
hadnt set it back up yet.
Jimmie
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Posted by Jimmie D on June 6, 2007, 10:15 pm
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>> Steve B wrote:
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>>>>I had some welding I needed to do in my back yard so I hauled the welder
>>>>out of the shop and hooked it up at the house to my hot tub. The Breaker
>>>>pops even though it is the right current rating, 50 AMPS. I think this
>>>>is because it is a ground fault breaker and I dont believe you can use a
>>>>welder with a GFCI breaker. I kind of suspected this before I hooked it
>>>>up.
>>>>
>>>>Jimmie
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Breakers heat up and cool down many times over their lifetimes. The
>>> metals inside change. They can become "weak". For a cheap fix, replace
>>> it with an equivalent straight breaker (no GFCI), and if it still pops,
>>> look for another problem. Even if it's good, and keeps popping, the
>>> GFCI will just cause you headaches when welding, and your work will
>>> suffer.
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>> The OP said this breaker is normally used for a hot tub. Hot tubs *must*
>> be
>> connected to a GFCI circuit.
>>
>> GWE
>
> Yes, and now that he has wired it without a GFCI, we have the potential to
> read about him in the newspaper. Hooking a hot tub and a welding machine
> on the same circuit is not the best set up. The best setup would be to
> have a separate circuit for the welder. AND to put the GFCI back on the
> hot tub. Unless it's weak or fried, in which case, it will keep kicking
> out. In that case, a bank loan to buy a new GFCI would be in order.
>
> IMHO
>
> Steve
>
Nope it is still GFCI protected, now it is protected in the distibution
panel instead of at the disconnect.
The OP
Jimmie
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Posted by Steve B on June 6, 2007, 10:21 pm
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> Nope it is still GFCI protected, now it is protected in the distibution
> panel instead of at the disconnect.
>
>
> The OP
> Jimmie
Can you still weld and run the spa at the same time?
Steve
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Posted by Jimmie D on June 7, 2007, 12:00 am
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>> Nope it is still GFCI protected, now it is protected in the distibution
>> panel instead of at the disconnect.
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>>
>> The OP
>> Jimmie
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> Can you still weld and run the spa at the same time?
>
> Steve
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No the spa is disconnected until I finish my welding.. I am thinking of
running a circuit back there for the welder. The patio is 16 X 28.
I bet Ill have a real chance of floating that past the wife.
Jimmie
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