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Welding to a trailer frame, cheap angle-iron frame rails. spamTHISbrp 10-16-2007
Posted by on October 17, 2007, 7:19 pm
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> I have a hunch that the trailer is made from "angle iron" that was 12ga
> sheet stock folded up on a brake rather than hot rolled "angle iron"
> that comes from the mill. I've never seen one of these el cheapo units
> made with hot rolled product.
>
> But good comments on the pre cleaning, weld and hole location, etc.
>
>
>
> JohnM wrote:
> > spamTHIS...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >> That's exactly the type of tidbit I was looking for.
>
> >> Most of those folding trailers have an honest-to-goodness C-section
> >> rail, I'd worry less if this had such.
>
> >> Thanks-
>
> >> Dave
>
> > If the trailer was purchased from some sort of retailer then it's going
> > to be an ordinary structural steel angle iron, whatever is cheapest on
> > the day they ordered it. No guarantees on it not having hard spots but
> > nothing to lose sleep over.
>
> > The only issue is that you, in welding onto the frame, not weaken it to
> > the point where it'll fail. Keep any welds away from the edges of the
> > angle iron (say, two times the thickness of the flange) and holes should
> > not be drilled too close to the edge, keep them a goodly distance away-
> > maybe two hole diameters from edge of hole to edge of iron.
>
> > Keep weld beads as small as will suffice, the thinner material is what
> > dictates the size of the weld. Try to not stiffen the frame with what
> > you add, otherwise it'll eventually break at the point where it refuses
> > to flex. If you have to make vertical welds and feel uncomfortable
> > running them uphill, stitch it from the bottom- welding down on a
> > vertical can result in remarkably weak welds, it's honestly best to
> > leave downhill welding to the jobs where it's specified.
>
> > Don't be afraid to use the grinder before you weld, it doesn't take a
> > lot of paint or mill scale to make a mess of your work.
>
> > John- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I looked closely at the frame- very sharp outside corner, just about
no radius, looks like it has a fillet on the inside of the corner, and
the corner is thicker.

I'm guessing it wasn't formed on a brake- does that make it more
likely its high-carbon?


Dave



Posted by RoyJ on October 17, 2007, 8:59 pm
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Sounds like a rolled product rather than a bent/brake product. More
than likely the surface will be fairly scaley or rough. It increase the
odds of a high carbon product but it's not definite. Hot rolled product
can be pretty variable. The one to stay away from is the bed iron that
is really high carbon. Back to a file or drill test.

spamTHISbrp@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I have a hunch that the trailer is made from "angle iron" that was 12ga
>> sheet stock folded up on a brake rather than hot rolled "angle iron"
>> that comes from the mill. I've never seen one of these el cheapo units
>> made with hot rolled product.
>>
>> But good comments on the pre cleaning, weld and hole location, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> JohnM wrote:
>>> spamTHIS...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> That's exactly the type of tidbit I was looking for.
>>>> Most of those folding trailers have an honest-to-goodness C-section
>>>> rail, I'd worry less if this had such.
>>>> Thanks-
>>>> Dave
>>> If the trailer was purchased from some sort of retailer then it's going
>>> to be an ordinary structural steel angle iron, whatever is cheapest on
>>> the day they ordered it. No guarantees on it not having hard spots but
>>> nothing to lose sleep over.
>>> The only issue is that you, in welding onto the frame, not weaken it to
>>> the point where it'll fail. Keep any welds away from the edges of the
>>> angle iron (say, two times the thickness of the flange) and holes should
>>> not be drilled too close to the edge, keep them a goodly distance away-
>>> maybe two hole diameters from edge of hole to edge of iron.
>>> Keep weld beads as small as will suffice, the thinner material is what
>>> dictates the size of the weld. Try to not stiffen the frame with what
>>> you add, otherwise it'll eventually break at the point where it refuses
>>> to flex. If you have to make vertical welds and feel uncomfortable
>>> running them uphill, stitch it from the bottom- welding down on a
>>> vertical can result in remarkably weak welds, it's honestly best to
>>> leave downhill welding to the jobs where it's specified.
>>> Don't be afraid to use the grinder before you weld, it doesn't take a
>>> lot of paint or mill scale to make a mess of your work.
>>> John- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I looked closely at the frame- very sharp outside corner, just about
> no radius, looks like it has a fillet on the inside of the corner, and
> the corner is thicker.
>
> I'm guessing it wasn't formed on a brake- does that make it more
> likely its high-carbon?
>
>
> Dave
>
>

Posted by TinLizziedl on October 18, 2007, 4:17 pm
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Spark testing is an old method that can tell you a lot, too- pretty easy
to do, just need a grinding wheel on your angle grinder....

http://64.78.42.182/sweethaven/BldgConst/Welding/lessonmain.asp?lesNum=1
&modNum=4

Copy above link or Google spark testing steel to get lots of good
info...

With practice, you can learn the spark patterns for many materials,
which can save you a lot of grief down the road.

Tin Lizzie

Posted by on October 18, 2007, 4:37 pm
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> Spark testing is an old method that can tell you a lot, too- pretty easy
> to do, just need a grinding wheel on your angle grinder....
>
> http://64.78.42.182/sweethaven/BldgConst/Welding/lessonmain.asp?lesNum=1
> &modNum=4
>
> Copy above link or Google spark testing steel to get lots of good
> info...
>
> With practice, you can learn the spark patterns for many materials,
> which can save you a lot of grief down the road.
>
> Tin Lizzie


I was just thinking of pulling up an old thread on this- read about it
before.


Thx-


Dave


Posted by SteveB on October 17, 2007, 12:02 pm
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Let me see if I understand this. You're going to take a light trailer and
haul plywood and drywall?

What's wrong with this picture? Nothing as long as you really watch your
load weight.

Whatever you do, do it right. Others safety depends on YOU.

Steve



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