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Wire size for welder AC supply Bob F 05-19-2008
Posted by Bob F on May 19, 2008, 9:34 pm
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I just picked up an old Ac/DC Dayton welder (230/180 amps). The label says "Pri
Amps 65.7" at 230 volts. Can anyone help me determine what size wire I need to
run to an outlet to feed this thing. I will probably want 20-25 feet or so.

Dayton 3Z563
$75
Pri Volts 230-O.C.V. 78-Arc Volts 25-Pri Amps 65.7-Sec Amps 230

It'll be a big step up from my ancient 130 amp AC buzz-box. Finally, I get tp
play with DC.




Posted by Ignoramus31588 on May 19, 2008, 10:31 pm
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> I just picked up an old Ac/DC Dayton welder (230/180 amps). The label says
"Pri
> Amps 65.7" at 230 volts. Can anyone help me determine what size wire I need to
> run to an outlet to feed this thing. I will probably want 20-25 feet or so.
>
> Dayton 3Z563
> $75
> Pri Volts 230-O.C.V. 78-Arc Volts 25-Pri Amps 65.7-Sec Amps 230
>
> It'll be a big step up from my ancient 130 amp AC buzz-box. Finally, I get tp
> play with DC.

Go to Home Depot and look up table next to the wire spools. I believe
#4 will cover you nicely, according to my table.

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Posted by Pete C. on May 19, 2008, 11:22 pm
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Ignoramus31588 wrote:
>
> > I just picked up an old Ac/DC Dayton welder (230/180 amps). The label says
"Pri
> > Amps 65.7" at 230 volts. Can anyone help me determine what size wire I need
to
> > run to an outlet to feed this thing. I will probably want 20-25 feet or so.
> >
> > Dayton 3Z563
> > $75
> > Pri Volts 230-O.C.V. 78-Arc Volts 25-Pri Amps 65.7-Sec Amps 230
> >
> > It'll be a big step up from my ancient 130 amp AC buzz-box. Finally, I get tp
> > play with DC.
>
> Go to Home Depot and look up table next to the wire spools. I believe
> #4 will cover you nicely, according to my table.

Did you take into account the duty cycle derating the NEC allows? NEC
article 630.11 and table 630.11(A), multipliers range from 1.00 for 100%
duty cycle welders down to 0.45 for 20% duty cycle or less. If the
welder in question were rated at say 50% duty cycle, the multiplier
would be 0.71 so you'd size the wire for a 46.647A load (rounded up to
50A) or 6ga copper conductors.

Posted by Bob F on May 19, 2008, 11:36 pm
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>
> Ignoramus31588 wrote:
>>
>> > I just picked up an old Ac/DC Dayton welder (230/180 amps). The label says
>> > "Pri
>> > Amps 65.7" at 230 volts. Can anyone help me determine what size wire I need
>> > to
>> > run to an outlet to feed this thing. I will probably want 20-25 feet or so.
>> >
>> > Dayton 3Z563
>> > $75
>> > Pri Volts 230-O.C.V. 78-Arc Volts 25-Pri Amps 65.7-Sec Amps 230
>> >
>> > It'll be a big step up from my ancient 130 amp AC buzz-box. Finally, I get
>> > tp
>> > play with DC.
>>
>> Go to Home Depot and look up table next to the wire spools. I believe
>> #4 will cover you nicely, according to my table.
>
> Did you take into account the duty cycle derating the NEC allows? NEC
> article 630.11 and table 630.11(A), multipliers range from 1.00 for 100%
> duty cycle welders down to 0.45 for 20% duty cycle or less. If the
> welder in question were rated at say 50% duty cycle, the multiplier
> would be 0.71 so you'd size the wire for a 46.647A load (rounded up to
> 50A) or 6ga copper conductors.

More to think about. The welder says 100% duty cycle, tapering to 20% at full
output current.

Would that mean I could go to 8ga. ?



Posted by Bob F on May 19, 2008, 11:39 pm
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> More to think about. The welder says 100% duty cycle,

(AT 90 amps AC)

> tapering to 20% at full output current.
>
> Would that mean I could go to 8ga. ?
>
>



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