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welding aluminum ? robb 03-21-2007
Posted by robb on March 21, 2007, 8:48 pm
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i am trying to a repair a cast (injection molded ?) aluminum piece where
there is a big crack that needs to be closed then joined, imagine a 4" U
shaped chanel bent and one side with a 3' crack so the bend needs to be
straightened and the crack joined for strength. the thickness of material
is
3/16".

i was researching how to weld aluminum on web
it seems you can do it all sorts of ways arc, gas, TIG, MIG

as i understand to have best results one needs to consider

1. the grade of aluminum to be welded (how do i figure this out ?)
2. pre-heat the area before welding
3. avoid contaminates introduced into flux/flow
4. thickness of material

How does one determine the grade aluminum and is there a prefered/better
method for joining in this particular application and will one of those
light duty harbor TIG or ARC welders handle the task ?

thanks for any helpful advice.
R




Posted by Randy Zimmerman on March 21, 2007, 8:53 pm
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If your piece is die cast which is the metal version of injection moulding
plastics, the alloy could be anything from a lightweight magnesium alloy use
in such things as chainsaws to zinc alloys common in carburetor and
automotive parts.
Die cast alloys are troublesome... Likely a specialty TIG welding rod will
be the solution.
Randy


>i am trying to a repair a cast (injection molded ?) aluminum piece where
> there is a big crack that needs to be closed then joined, imagine a 4" U
> shaped chanel bent and one side with a 3' crack so the bend needs to be
> straightened and the crack joined for strength. the thickness of material
> is
> 3/16".
>
> i was researching how to weld aluminum on web
> it seems you can do it all sorts of ways arc, gas, TIG, MIG
>
> as i understand to have best results one needs to consider
>
> 1. the grade of aluminum to be welded (how do i figure this out ?)
> 2. pre-heat the area before welding
> 3. avoid contaminates introduced into flux/flow
> 4. thickness of material
>
> How does one determine the grade aluminum and is there a prefered/better
> method for joining in this particular application and will one of those
> light duty harbor TIG or ARC welders handle the task ?
>
> thanks for any helpful advice.
> R
>
>
>


Posted by robb on March 30, 2007, 8:50 am
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hi thanks for heads up on material woes
I do not know what type of aluminum blend it is and i can find no grade
identifiers

application wise the piece is probably most like an aluminum injection
molded table part for a a table saw

thanks again for info and reply
R

> If your piece is die cast which is the metal version of injection moulding
> plastics, the alloy could be anything from a lightweight magnesium alloy
use
> in such things as chainsaws to zinc alloys common in carburetor and
> automotive parts.
> Die cast alloys are troublesome... Likely a specialty TIG welding rod
will
> be the solution.
> Randy
>
>
> >i am trying to a repair a cast (injection molded ?) aluminum piece where
> > there is a big crack that needs to be closed then joined, imagine a 4" U
> > shaped chanel bent and one side with a 3' crack so the bend needs to be
> > straightened and the crack joined for strength. the thickness of
material
> > is
> > 3/16".
> >
> > i was researching how to weld aluminum on web
> > it seems you can do it all sorts of ways arc, gas, TIG, MIG
> >
> > as i understand to have best results one needs to consider
> >
> > 1. the grade of aluminum to be welded (how do i figure this out ?)
> > 2. pre-heat the area before welding
> > 3. avoid contaminates introduced into flux/flow
> > 4. thickness of material
> >
> > How does one determine the grade aluminum and is there a
prefered/better
> > method for joining in this particular application and will one of those
> > light duty harbor TIG or ARC welders handle the task ?
> >
> > thanks for any helpful advice.
> > R
> >
> >
> >
>



Posted by Proctologically Violated©® on March 22, 2007, 10:16 am
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I've seen alum rod for arc welders (DC +, iirc) that were awesome. Not
pretty welds, but good penetration, fast, very little prep req'd. The demo
I saw (in a welding class) made it look almost idiot proof.
Don't know the name of the rod I saw in action, but I'm sure good welding
supply houses have a variety.
Also forgot the amps req'd, but I think it was up there.

Alum tig requires a lot of heat. My Miller Econotig, about $1300 ten years
ago, under ideal ideal conditions, *might* be able to join two pieces of
1/4", and is really comfortable only w/ 1/8. Alum just carries away so much
heat you need big amps.

If deep penetration were not an issue, and with preheating, etc, my machine
might be able to handle your repair job. Real cheapie machines would likely
have that much less of a chance at success.
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>i am trying to a repair a cast (injection molded ?) aluminum piece where
> there is a big crack that needs to be closed then joined, imagine a 4" U
> shaped chanel bent and one side with a 3' crack so the bend needs to be
> straightened and the crack joined for strength. the thickness of material
> is
> 3/16".
>
> i was researching how to weld aluminum on web
> it seems you can do it all sorts of ways arc, gas, TIG, MIG
>
> as i understand to have best results one needs to consider
>
> 1. the grade of aluminum to be welded (how do i figure this out ?)
> 2. pre-heat the area before welding
> 3. avoid contaminates introduced into flux/flow
> 4. thickness of material
>
> How does one determine the grade aluminum and is there a prefered/better
> method for joining in this particular application and will one of those
> light duty harbor TIG or ARC welders handle the task ?
>
> thanks for any helpful advice.
> R
>
>
>
>




Posted by robb on March 30, 2007, 8:56 am
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thanks for reply,

I figured those cheapy machines would probably not handle this job but i
wanted to hear it from the proffesionals.

I was just looking for an excuse to buy a new toy (er um, i mean welder)

thanks for money saving tip
R




> I've seen alum rod for arc welders (DC +, iirc) that were awesome. Not
> pretty welds, but good penetration, fast, very little prep req'd. The
demo
> I saw (in a welding class) made it look almost idiot proof.
> Don't know the name of the rod I saw in action, but I'm sure good welding
> supply houses have a variety.
> Also forgot the amps req'd, but I think it was up there.
>
> Alum tig requires a lot of heat. My Miller Econotig, about $1300 ten
years
> ago, under ideal ideal conditions, *might* be able to join two pieces of
> 1/4", and is really comfortable only w/ 1/8. Alum just carries away so
much
> heat you need big amps.
>
> If deep penetration were not an issue, and with preheating, etc, my
machine
> might be able to handle your repair job. Real cheapie machines would
likely
> have that much less of a chance at success.
> --
> ------
> Mr. P.V.'d (formerly Droll Troll), Yonkers, NY
>
> Stop Corruption in Congress & Send the Ultimate Message:
> Absolutely Vote, but NOT for a Democrat or a Republican.
> Ending Corruption in Congress is the *Single Best Way*
> to Materially Improve Your Family's Life.
> The Solution is so simple--and inexpensive!
>
> entropic3.14decay at optonline2.718 dot net; remove pi and e to reply--ie,
> all d'numbuhs
>
> >i am trying to a repair a cast (injection molded ?) aluminum piece where
> > there is a big crack that needs to be closed then joined, imagine a 4" U
> > shaped chanel bent and one side with a 3' crack so the bend needs to be
> > straightened and the crack joined for strength. the thickness of
material
> > is
> > 3/16".
> >
> > i was researching how to weld aluminum on web
> > it seems you can do it all sorts of ways arc, gas, TIG, MIG
> >
> > as i understand to have best results one needs to consider
> >
> > 1. the grade of aluminum to be welded (how do i figure this out ?)
> > 2. pre-heat the area before welding
> > 3. avoid contaminates introduced into flux/flow
> > 4. thickness of material
> >
> > How does one determine the grade aluminum and is there a
prefered/better
> > method for joining in this particular application and will one of those
> > light duty harbor TIG or ARC welders handle the task ?
> >
> > thanks for any helpful advice.
> > R
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>



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